Wank Wank Wank

The “liberal hawks” over at Slate are having a wankfest about how wrong they were on the Iraq War. Each has written a little missive entitled “How Did I Get Iraq Wrong?” - and as you’d expect, they suck. A smattering:

How Did I Get Iraq Wrong? I believed the groupthink and contributed to it,” by Jacob Weisberg.

How Did I Get Iraq Wrong? I seriously misjudged Bush’s sense of morality,” by Andrew Sullivan.

How Did I Get Iraq Wrong? I didn’t realize how incompetent the Bush administration could be,” by Jeffrey Goldberg.

How Did I Get Iraq Wrong? Rather than bore you with the answer, here are lessons from the experience,” by Lord William Saletan.

How Did I Get Iraq Wrong? I thought we had a chance to stabilize an unstable region, and—I admit it—I wanted to strike back,” by Richard Cohen.

How Did I Get Iraq Wrong? I didn’t,” by Christopher Hitchens.

Commentary after the jump.

Let’s take on a few of these, shall we? First, Mr. Sullivan “misjudged” the Dear Leader’s sense of morality.

Let that sink in.

Mr. Sullivan assumes Bush even has a sense of morality when the following was known prior to the 2000 election:

On May 21, 2000, the New York Times reported that, as a child, Bush and his friends used to torture animals for pleasure, “`We were terrible to animals,’ recalled [Bush's boyhood friend Terry] Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush borne turned into a small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come out. `Everybody would get BB guns and shoot them,’ Throckmorton said. `Or we’d put firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow them up.’” Note that the torture took place on Bush property; had Bush wanted to, he could easily have stopped this sadistic behavior. Instead, since it was his domain, it is more likely that Bush was a ringleader.

Later, while an undergrad at Yale University, Bush was a president of the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity, which engaged in initiation procedures described as “sadistic and obscene,” including burning pledges with a hot branding iron. When the fraternity’s sadistic rituals were uncovered by Yale authorities, Bush, then a Yale senior, defended the practice to the New York Times in an article that appeared on November 7, 1967, saying that the wound was “only a cigarette burn.”

Later, after becoming governor of Texas, Bush oversaw the executions of 131 people. In 1998, Bush signed the death warrant for a woman named Karla Tucker, who was executed on February 3, 1998. In an interview with Tucker Carlson that appeared in the September 1999 issue of Talk Magazine, Bush mocked Tucker’s last-minute pleas for clemency. In the interview, Bush imitated Tucker with an exaggerated whimper, saying, “Please don’t kill me.”

Mr. Golberg claims he had no clue that the Bush administration could be that incompetent. Of course, that administration was created by a man about whom the following was known prior to the 2000 election:

As explained by Kevin Phillips in his book, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush, George W. Bush’s businesses fail but he makes millions. Among Mr. Bush’s business ventures:

    • Arbusto, an oil exploration company, lost money, but it got considerable investments (nearly $5 million) because even losing oil investments were useful as tax shelters.
    • Spectrum 7 Energy Corp. bought out Arbusto in 1984 and hired Mr. Bush to run the company’s oil interests in Midland, Texas. The oil business collapsed as oil prices plummeted by 1986, and Spectrum 7 Energy was near failure.
    • Harken Energy acquired Mr. Bush’s Spectrum 7 Energy shares, and he got Harken shares, a directorship, and a consulting arrangement in return. Harken, under Bush, brought in Saudi real estate tycoon Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh as a board member and a major investor. Over the next few years, Harken would turn out to have links to: Saudi money, CIA-connected Filipinos, the Harvard Endowment, the emir of Bahrain, and the shadowy Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
      • A 1991 internal SEC document suggested George W. Bush violated federal securities law at least 4 times in the late 1980s and early 1990s in selling Harken stock while serving as a director of Harken. This is essentially the same kind of activity that Martha Stewart is going to prison over. Except at the time of the investigation, Mr. Bush’s father was president and the case was quietly dropped.

Mr. Cohen wanted to “strike back”. But why did he want to strike back at a country that didn’t attack us?

After the president returned to the White House on Sept. 11, he and his top advisers, including [Richard] Clarke, began holding meetings about how to respond and retaliate. As Clarke writes in his book, he expected the administration to focus its military response on Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. He says he was surprised that the talk quickly turned to Iraq.

“Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq,” Clarke said to Stahl. “And we all said … no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan. We need to bomb Afghanistan. And Rumsfeld said there aren’t any good targets in Afghanistan. And there are lots of good targets in Iraq. I said, ‘Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with it.

“Initially, I thought when he said, ‘There aren’t enough targets in– in Afghanistan,’ I thought he was joking.

I’m sure these pundits that were so wrong about the Iraq War are sending all the money they’ve made from writing about it to the families of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis they’ve helped kill.

Why Did We Get it Wrong? [Slate]

31 comments:

This is like Goebbels’ speechwriters admitting they regret working for such a troubled boss.

These people are war-mongering fucks and should confess their crimes and move to a hut in outback Alberta where they can’t help destroy civilization.

This pisses me off. I am in the middle of writing the same kind of a post and quoting myself from old rants five years ago. It is going slower than I thought, I am late getting it done, and now I am going to have to reference these fucks in that post.

@FCS - why saddle the poor Canadians with them? Send ‘em to one of those ’stan countries in Eastern Europe.

The Best and the Brightest II: Neither

@Blogenfreude,
Considering that Northern Alberta is quickly becoming one of the more polluted places on earth, it would be fitting.

Richard Cohen is a librul? And I’m not angry about this. Whatever. Besides, it’s a little goddamned too late.

All they had to do was read the New York Review of Books and/or Mother Jones. Both publications had excellent reporting on the stampede to the invasion. For my money, Michael Massing’s essays on Iraq in NYRB remain the best accounts in print.

@steeldick: And the London Review, if you wanna get tweedy about it. They ran the “Israel Lobby” piece when nobody else would, and I’m sure we’ll see some Slate mea culpas on that subject a few years hence.

@nojo: I don’t mean in retrospect. They were running the very best accounts of the stampede as it was going on. I’m not an academic. My tap training rules that out. And I don’t read magazines. But I always love the NYRB because of its unpredictability. I’m sure the LRB is very good. I get phobic about the Oxbridge establishment. It’s why I live in the States. One of the reasons.

I think it’s very important that these boosters are not allowed to wriggle off their gilt hooks. They were supposed to know better and could have with only the most minimal effort. If I, who know nothing about newspapers beyond my loathing for Ben Brantley, could know that Judith Miller was writing crap in the Times, they could have known it too. Plus there were many people posting online, trying to get someone to pay attention. It seems, however, that this bunch of wankers were all off somewhere admiring Bush’s character

On that note I must return to work.

Who gives a fuck what the Slate dickheads have to say about themselves or anything else? Slate so totally sucks shit its completely irrelevant. Its fucking Details for people who think they think and are wrong about that. And what the fuck is this shit about liberal hawks? What fucking liberal? Where is there a fucking liberal? Have they so totally moved the fucking goalposts that Pat fucking Buchannan is now a liberal? I know what liberal is and they ain’t it. They are mouthpieces for the corporate global oligarchy, paid propagandists, just because their mission was to sell the war to “liberals,” doesn’t make them liberals. Fuck them, fuck Slate, fuck the pigs.

Sullivan: “But what was done to America—and the meaning of America—was unforgivable. And for that I will not and should not forgive myself.”

So that’s a suicide note, right? We won’t have to deal with that sick sanctimonious fuck any more, right? Please tell me he’s gone off to that big dishwasher in the sky, oh please…

@steeldick: I don’t recall whether the LRB was as attentive as the NYRB at the time — the LRB would likely have been more interested in Blair as Bush’s Bitch. But I enjoy them both for being on the whole nondogmatic about current events, allowing for the occasional Old Left musk.

[...] has been posting their own recollections—with a surprisingly small number of mea culpas. Over at Cynic’s Party, “Blogenfreude” summarized the roundup on Slate quite ably: “How Did I Get Iraq [...]

@Blogenfreude: Leave the ’stans alone. Trust me, they have enough problems without the help of our dear leadership.

Although they certainly count as direly polluted.

There’s a lot of armpit sniffing over at Slate. I guess it smells better if you went to one of those elite private schools, like Duke, which just lost to a team whose mascot is a guy from Deliverance.

Does idiocy have 20 20 hindsight?

@Dodgerblue : Even though it screwed up my bracket it did my heart good to see those arrogant bastards from Duke lose. In the 2nd round. To W. Va. MWAHAHAHAHA!

My wife hates it when I say what we think doesn’t count, so I won’t say it. Fuck, the guy who wrote the “freecreditreport.com” jingle has more effect on the nation than progressives vindicated by the passage of time.

i have to admit, i enjoy “dear prudence” on slate. emily yoffee is a riot.

steel dick lyndon,
i agree with your reviews, as a faithful reader of the ny times review of books, only other thing worth reading in that trash rag besides manohlo dargis.
heard the revival of chorus line is killer… what did you think?
i’m planning on a visit to the tri-state this summer
so now,when are you taking me to the tony’s.
i promise to be the funnest and best dressed date.

In the interview, Bush imitated Tucker with an exaggerated whimper, saying, “Please don’t kill me.”

I have said this for years, but that interview is Tucker Carlson’s sole positive contribution to mankind. Too bad it wasn’t more widely read, or it might’ve (and this is being all too optimistic) tipped the balance in Gore’s favor.

@baked: Darling, no. Not the NY Times Review of… But the real deal. The New York Review of Books. Very different. Latest edition has Russel Baker on Condi and Michael Massing on The Volunteer Army. The NY Times Review has shit about shit.

Forgive me, precious one, but I don’t do awards. Unless I’m nominated. If you are in NYC the thing to see is either the Easter Bonnet or the Gypsy of the Year. I will try to get you a ticket. They are the toughest tix in town and no one knows they’re happening. It’s a show biz thing.

I saw the original C Line in London with the book writer who was trying to work his finger up my ass. Thrilling show. To say the least. I was a child. Haven’t seen revival.

I’ll admit it, I was with the Slate and New Republic guys and I was wrong, too. We had been fighting Iraq from the air for five years, and I figured taking out Saddam would be the quickest way to end that AND help the Iraqis, who were losing an estimated 1,000 kids a week at one point in the ’90s because of UN sanctions that were 100 percent Saddam’s fault. And most of the opposition at the time was knee-jerk pacifism with cogent arguments like “War is not the answer.”

The links-to-terror and WMD arguments were bullshit, and everyone who’d been paying the slightest attention knew that. I knew we were invading in July, 2002, as did most everyone in the military. Rumsfeld publicly opposed going to the UN that summer, and there were NY Times and Wash Post pieces in September about how the Bushies were planning to “sell” an invasion they’d already decided on (which had solid, but not sexy reasons behind it).

I underestimated the stupidity and incompetence of the Bushies. In part to make up for it, I volunteered for and did a year’s military duty over there, during the pre-surge absolute worst of it, so I figure at least I’ve put my ass where my mouth was.

It’s still not an open-and-shut case for immediate withdrawal. Certainly not by the Bush administration, which would screw that up as badly as they’ve done everything else. In the long term, getting out of there will help us and them immensely. But if they don’t come to some sort of working consensus as to what sort of government they can live together with (or figure out how to divide the place) before we introduce a total power vacuum, the future bloodbath could make the past five years seem like the happy times. Nobody benefits if Iraq turns into Somalia, least of all the Iraqis.

Either Hillary or the Unicorn need to make that Job One from Day One. God help those poor people if McCain gets elected.

@ Steel Dick: Yikes! You have sharp claws. But I suppose for a mere mortal to be condescended to by you should be an honor.

lyndon, darling,

i misunderstood a post you wrote some time ago, about going to the tonys. as a fellow broadway lover, i sought your opinion, and my thanks for your recommendations.
i’m a member of the friars club, darling,
…so you can let me know when you need to get a tough ticket.

i do condescend too.
love ya prommie.

But Baked, Friars club and all is good, but have you been fingered by fame? (don’t answer, its a rhetorical question) Ah, what must it be like, to know the honor, and prestige, of being carried about like a meat popsicle by a real live author. My hopes are lost. The blush of my youth is gone, not even Gore Vidal would look at me now.

Have you seen Milton Berle’s gargantuan penis? Its said he would frequently flourish it about, showing it off to one and all, at the Friars.

Note to Self
Re:Potential future moniker
- FingeredByFame -

Carry on.

prom,
yes milton berle’s gargantuan penis is legend at the friars, and long after his death, jokes about it still come up. i’m surprised there isn’t a bronze replica of it in the lobby.

fun facts: the friars club roasts have no resemblence whatsoever to the occasional watered down bleeped to death ones you sometimes see on comedy central. and it was always men only–for the hundred years it’s been in existence. woman’s ears hearing such profanity and raunch? heavens to betsy!

i was one of the first 10 woman who attended the very first roast they let a few women in. we had our own table. (chevy chase, the roasted)
years later, after they heard what comes out of lisa lampenelli and sarah silverman’s mouths, they got over it real quick! the women comics are as wicked funny as the men, and equally foul mouthed. we’re making progress.

@ baked: I love Lisa Lampanelli, and adore Sarah Silverman. Not many women will make licking a dogs ass the theme of a 30 minute bit. I dig the mouthy chicks who scare the men.

[...] has been posting their own recollections—with a surprisingly small number of mea culpas. Over at Cynic’s Party, “Blogenfreude” summarized the roundup on Slate quite ably: “How Did I Get Iraq [...]

It’s still the war, stupid….

Blogenfreude calls the series a “wankfest” and at his Cynics Party cross-post a commenter called the series an exercise in “armpit sniffing”. Hard to argue with either assessment. Glenn Greenwald notes “…not a single one of them appears to have …

[...] visibility support of the war. Blogenfreude calls the series a “wankfest” and at his Cynics Party cross-post a commenter called the series an exercise in “armpit sniffing” [NOTE: last two links [...]

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